Baptist Pastor goes to Hillsong Conference!

 

__2020109_orig*** This post was taken from a comment on the blog written by a Moonee Ponds Baptist Church (MPBC) member back in 2013 and is published as requested (with minor edits). Since this article was originally posted, Greg (the Baptist pastor in reference) has gone to the Hillsong conference in Sydney every year and is incorporating the compromised Hillsong and Rick Warren’s Church “growth” Model to the Moonee Ponds Baptist Church ***

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A: Did you hear, Pastor Greg went to the Hillsong Conference!

B: – What??? Is that a joke?

A: No, it’s not a joke.

B: – But why would he do that? Is he unwell? Is he in his right frame of mind? What true Christian, even with a basic theological familiarity goes to the Hillsong conference? Did Greg go there to find out how messed up the Hillsong church and their theology is, so that he can learn from their mistakes and avoid the obvious pitfalls?

A: Can’t be sure if he’s in a right frame of mind. Apparently, he went there to learn how to “grow the church” and “worship” music – You know they worship music at Hillsong, don’t you? Music, lights and entertainment take the main stage.

B: – So, Greg must have gone there on his own time and money?

A: No! It appears that he went there on the Church’s time and money!!

B: – Does the church leadership know about this?

A: They certainly do. The current leadership constitutes mostly of older women who blindly support Greg. Unfortunately, they don’t care about the spiritual welfare of the church nor are they theologically equipped to contend with Greg on any biblical matter.

B: – Is there any hope for Moonee Ponds Baptist Church if this is the reality of our circumstances?

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You, the reader may have many questions. Such as –

What’s the big deal? Is there anything wrong or sinful for a real Christian to go and support a conference such as the Hillsong one held in Sydney? Who spoke at Hillsong 2014 and does that matter? What was the cost?

Let’s answer the questions briefly and direct the readers to the additional material so each person can work out the truth for themselves.

*    It is a big deal because Hillsong Church is not a godly church as defined by the Bible; Hillsong Church is in the worst category when compared to the churches in the book of Revelation chapter 2 and 3. No discerning Christian, let alone a Senior Pastor of a Baptist Church should be seen in such a place. Hillsong “church” has an unhealthy focus on the prosperity Gospel – among their many other false theologies. As Baptists, our doctrine is very different to what Hillsong espouses.

To understand the differences, consider the following questions: Do we see Baptists Speaking in Tongues? – No? Or Prophesying? – No? Or preaching about giving 26% of our gross income to the church – on top of our weekly offerings? Ah, Yes!! At least Greg already that had that in common with the “Word of Faith” and “prosperity gospel” movement.

As Baptists, we believe that spiritual gifts such as Tongues, Healing, Visions, and Prophesy were given at a time and place for specific purposes. These were gifts which served as signs to edify the church, and they served a special purpose before written scripture was made available. We now have the complete (canon) Bible; we believe such spiritual gifts are uncommon today (if they exist at all) and would not serve the purpose they did in the first-century church. If Greg believes that these spiritual signs and gifts still exist today and that they are proof of believer’s spiritual maturity or even confirmation of one’s salvation (as some Pentecostals believe), then why doesn’t Greg speak in tongues? Sure, he says things at times which no one understands, but it’s still in English. But if Greg believes that Hillsong’s theology (such as the prosperity gospel) is wrong, why does he spend so much time and money going to a spiritually unhealthy place? Something is not right here.

Let’s consider the Hillsong 2014 Speakers. Numerous Guest Speakers such as Brian & Jen Johnson, Bill Hybels, Louie Giglio, Matt Redman, Robert Madu, Steven Furtick (and Brian Houston) spoke at the conference.

All the speakers mentioned above are famous for propagating the prosperity gospel – but let’s take the example of one speaker – Bill Hybels.

Here are some excerpts from http://eliora.hubpages.com/hub/ELEPHANT-IN-THE-ROOM-WHAT-IS-WRONG-WITH-WILLOW-CREEK-CHURCHBILL-HYBELS

“Bill Hybels founded the church on the marketing ideas of Peter Drucker who successfully applied them to business management before directing his attention towards the mega-church. Rick Warren (remember that name? – Greg’s favourite Pastor), Bill Hybels and Bob Buford were all mentored by Peter Drucker, and all three of them seem to have been almost mesmerised by him. Drucker plainly denied being a “born again” Christian and was heavily influenced by the mysticism of Kierkegaard (http://apprising.org).” (So, a non-Christian mystic is the coach of Greg’s teachers and idols? Can an ungodly source produce godly fruits? The Bible warns us not to walk in the counsel of the ungodly. You’ve got to try and read it Greg.)

“The desire of Willow Creek (Bill Hybels’s church) is to attract “customers” to the church with the market-driven seeker-sensitive model, and numerically this has been hugely successful (listen carefully to Greg’s “sermons”, and you’ll hear similar market-driven, seeker-sensitive message). After surveying the community, Hybels designed his Sunday morning services to meet the “felt needs” of non-believers with programmes and entertainment, his focus being on “personal fulfilment”. There are problems biblically with this method because the perceived needs of people are often not what God defines as their real need i.e. salvation. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:9) The seeker-sensitive method avoids offending people with the core message of the gospel – the seriousness of sin, the need for repentance and eternal punishment for those who don’t believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross. Instead it is based upon self-esteem rather than self-denial and personal fulfilment rather than on repentance of sins, in other words, it is all about the individual rather than Jesus Christ. The seeker sensitive approach is a method that promotes men-pleasing as against God-pleasing. (1 Thessalonians 2:4) The danger is that this approach produces false converts because attendees of seeker-sensitive churches never repent of their sins nor do they believe the gospel message in its entirety (Colossians 1:25).”

If this is who Greg went to listen to, one must wonder if Greg has similar plans for our church i.e. to apply the seeker sensitive model to the Moonee Ponds Baptist Church. All evidence seems to point in that direction. All this in the name of growing and building the church – but Jesus says, in Mathew 16:18 that He is the one who will build the church. – Not Greg, not Brian Houston, not even Rick Warren – all that the Pastors are called to do is to faithfully preach the Word of God, and God will do the rest. No need for all this worldly management gimmickry, as it serves no godly purpose.

So, what about Brian Houston – the Hillsong “Pastor”?

“One by one, the huge mega-churches with their 5,000+ member congregations are beginning to reveal their true agenda. The Emergent Church, powered by the Rick Warren machine, is a huge promoter of Chrislam, the demonic hybrid of Christianity and Islam. Now Hillsong United in Australia has thrown their hat into the same ring.”

Here’s a quote from Brian’s sermon back in December 2013.

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=17743

“How do you view God? In a desert there’s two types of birds: there’s vultures and there’s hummingbirds. One lives off dead carcasses, rotting meat. The other lives off the beautiful, sweet nectar in a particular flower on a particular desert plant. In the same desert, they both find what they’re looking for.

“Do you know—take it all the way back into the Old Testament and the Muslim—and you, we actually serve the same God,” he said in the sermon. “Allah to a Muslim; to us, Abba Father God.”

You can listen to part of that “sermon”, from the link above or find the whole sermon online but taking a hammer and pounding it on your head would be a better use of your time than listening to that satanic drivel.

To be fair, Brian tried to retract what he had said but ended up lying and contradicting himself.

Any guesses who was one of the main speakers for the 2013 Hillsong conference and the speaker for 2015 conference? Yes, the one and only Rick Warren! I know someone who won’t (and didn’t) miss that.

What was the conference cost?

$199.00 to $329.00 – that’s for the entertainment but if you want to hear the Gospel, that’s free, but you probably won’t hear that at the Hillsong conference.

Even secular media recognises the Hillsong  “church” for being a money hungry organisation. To get a better understanding of the damage Hillsong has done to the name of Christianity in Australia, read the articles from the link below –

https://hillsongchurchwatch.com/2012/10/11/why-you-need-more-money-introduction-2/

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One thought on “Baptist Pastor goes to Hillsong Conference!

  1. To the Pastor’s Wife.
    At the church meeting where a member exposed your husband – the pastor, of lying, and being abusive, you made a comment that should not be ignored. You said, “if you think Greg is lying every week when he preaches, why do you still come to church?” What you meant to say is that anyone who disagrees with the pastor, regardless of the wrongs the pastor does, one should just shut up and leave the church. Please remember that the church decides which pastor serves us; neither the pastor nor his wife gets to decide who should or should not remain the in the church. Remember it’s the contributions of the members that pay the ridiculously high wage of the pastor.
    On the surface and in other contexts, what you said would make sense; in that, it’s not smart to keep going to a place where there’s nothing to gain, but much to lose. But here we are speaking in the context of church life.

    If we thought like you, should we tell the children abused by the Catholic church just to keep quiet and leave the church? I’m not saying that your husband sexually abused anyone in Moonee Ponds Baptist, but by his admission- in his words and in the manner which he conducts himself, he has been abusive. Maybe you missed member’s statement where he said that Greg was caught lying and being abusive and he has the evidence in emails. Even if BUV makes every attempt to cover up such behaviours, the truth will eventually come out and but not in the manner BUV or the church leadership would prefer.
    Is it not more reasonable to say, that Greg should leave to the church since he was caught lying, preaching things that contradict the Bible, showing porn to the church, and now has admitted to insulting people for disagreeing with him? Have you noticed that the people who Greg has victimised have been a lot kinder to him than he is to them? No one is asking Greg to leave the church, just that he behaves in a manner that is worthy of his calling.

    In a church when the pastor is abusive, we are not meant to run away – we are meant to report these behaviours first to the church leadership, and then to the church. When these avenues fail, then one may treat the pastor as an unbeliever – thus opening the door to get such behaviour investigated by external parties, and the matter reported to the media, so the whole world will see how corrupt a church can get.

    Greg and the church leadership has had sufficient opportunities to correct the matter. Greg should have made every effort to be an example to the church, but he has been anything but an example that the church can emulate.

    You should also make your arguments from the Bible; what you said displayed an emotional interest in the welfare of your husband – but it was not the right thing to do.
    1 Timothy 5:20 But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.

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